June 20, 2007
Alan Watt Blurb:
"Conversation with Butch Chancellor –
Martha’s home, thanks to listeners' action.
(Update from May 24, 2007)"
*Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - June 20, 2007 (Exempting Music and Literary Quotes)
Alan Watt: Hi folks. I'm Alan Watt. This is cuttingthroughthematrix.com and you will also find me at alanwattsentientsentinel.eu . It is June 20, 2007. I'm playing tonight a recording I made of a conversation I had this evening with Butch Chancellor, and it's an update on his wife. His wife, as you know, had to go to hospital and she had a kidney stone removed, and then they decided because she was elderly they’d like to put her to a hospice. Here’s the update:
[Tape begins]
Alan: What we’ll do is just let you talk, and we’ll start off by asking what’s happened since the last time you were on the show?
Butch: Okay. We can do that.
Alan: You just start off and tell me how it proceeded from when she was in the hospital. Go through the part where they tried to certify her incompetent and all that kind of stuff.
Butch: I haven’t told you, I don't think, that the hospital could have her recorded incompetent and force her into a nursing home. They hinted about it. They said they could do that. Then a doctor called me, Dr. Evans and he told me that, see they have a neuropsychiatrist examine Martha and he and the entire staff agreed that Martha is, what’s the term?—Demented. Now let me give you a little bit more here.
Alan: Which hospital was that?
Butch: Saint John’s in Springfield, Missouri. He maintained that they all agreed – these staff people. He alleged that they’d reached the conclusion because Martha had short-term memory loss. The story from Martha was quite different. They had really pressured her to convince her – a whole bunch of people came into her room she said: doctors, nurses, a psychiatrist, and some office people. Those would be our political Commissars. The FSCPS people. They were trying to pressure her to agree to go into the nursing home, their nursing home, of course. You don't know Martha, but Martha gets it from her mother I think, and if you want to do something counterproductive you just try pressuring Martha.
Alan: I guess they were pressuring her because they're trying to classify her as being incompetent, because she wouldn't go along with what they wanted. Obviously, anybody who won't go along with what they want must be incompetent.
Butch: They must be crazy. You don't want to do what we order you to do. Get this, Alan, now I'm not sure where all this fits in, but when she came home, she came with a couple of buckets of nostrums of various sorts. When I was going through that I found two tubes of toothpaste, one which was partially used and one which was not open—Made in China. I've got a little item on my blog about it. On June 1 the FDA, as you may know, told us to dump all toothpaste made in China because it's contaminated with antifreeze.
Alan: That's right.
Butch: I looked up the first stage of antifreeze poisoning. It sure sounds like dementia to me.
Alan: Boy, I'm sure that's what it's meant to do. You know nothing happens by accident. They have panel upon panel, and bureau upon bureau to investigate this stuff before the public can get it on the market. They know exactly what’s in everything; they do.
Butch: That's the thing, the FDA made the announcement June 1 and here it was June the 19th or something like that she came home; and they were merely brushing everybody’s teeth over at the hospital – all of the patients – with antifreeze.
Alan: What you might find also are the doctors and the nurses are demented themselves, because maybe they use it too.
Butch: Yeah! Hey, it's free, right?
Alan: That's right.
Butch: You just pocket one of those and give it to your kids.
Alan: That's right; it's sort of passed on like an infectious psychosis. They're all becoming psychotic. What happened to lead up to them releasing Martha?
Butch: What happened was that people like you scared the crap out of them. Let me read you a card. I asked friends and the general public to call Martha and talk to the staff and ask about the condition, just to let people – let the staff know that Martha was not alone. Here’s this card, it says:
Hello Martha, I'm sure sorry to learn you are experiencing the unjust agenda of “these Orwellian times.” Hopefully this will help to wake people up to the reality of what we are all facing. For this I thank you and pray for you to get well, in spite of the treatment you may be receiving, so you can return home. If I can help with any nutritional info, just holler. Nutritional healing is my passion. Signed, Patricia.
Of course they read these cards to Martha, right? Don't you know that one went all over the hospital? [Laughs]
Alan: I'm sure it would. The people who are the most brainwashed are the ones who have gone through studies in universities. It never dawns on them that their minds are being molded to be an arm of this new world order of totalitarianism, where everything is scheduled and decided by experts. We have no say in anything; of course, they've classified everyone. Look at the young ones. They've got them all on Ritalin – all the young guys. That's a new phenomenon, a sudden new normal. Any young fellow with leadership abilities is suddenly a problem and has his brain shrunk with Ritalin. Then they've started on the elderly. It's a standard procedure to decide you’re not really a productive citizen anymore. You have no rights. You're old. They even start teaching them this in school, not to listen to anyone who’s over 25 or even 30.
Butch: Alan, I've seen this and you may well have seen it too. When my beard began to grow a little bit grey, going out in public I got all kinds of disdain from people, you know, from clerks. If I went to a restaurant, they would seat me way back in the corner somehow. Give me the worst spot in the house and they would do it automatically. When I would go up to the clerk at the checkout counter and I hadn’t offended anybody as far as I could tell. I hadn’t said anything and the clerk made it quite clear that she despised me on sight.
Alan: Really?
Butch: Yes. This has been going on for several years that I've been seeing this. I know it wasn’t me alone because I had this friend and she was in her 30s, mid-30s but she was getting a touch of grey at the temples. She had decided to go back to nursing school and get her nursing degree. Guess what? They seated her in the back of the class and gave her the lowest grades in the class. She figured out what was going on and went and bought a bottle of dye and she began working on the grey spots, and pretty soon, she was the star of the class.
Alan: It's been drummed into them since the 1960’s, “don’t trust anyone over 30.” It's actually lower now; in fact, the reality comes from television fiction. There's so many programs on with doctors or young doctors and all this kind of stuff, same with the cops. That's how they have whiskers on their face. They're just too young to be anything of course, but it's to get the young to identify with them and to disregard anyone who is a bit older with some wisdom. That's why they decided in the early 1900’s the agenda would have to disrupt the family unit, especially the elderly, because it was the elderly that taught the grandchildren when the parents were working and very busy. Their history came from the elderly, and that was wisdom.
Butch: That's right. That was one of my problems, I suppose. It was during WWII and my father was working at a munitions plant out in Kansas. When the snow got high – I had to walk a mile to the school and I was in the first or second grade. When the snow got higher than my head, my folks sent me back to Missouri to go stay with my grandmother and I could walk just across the corner, the snow was not nearly the problem. I learned at my grandmother’s knee, just a lot of things. You’re absolutely right. That was one of the excellent points that you made on the Stadtmiller show, and probably a lot of them were in shock.
Alan: A lot of them were in shock that I was even on that show. It's just a different type, because I don't cater towards the usual patriot movement because I think it's the blind leading the blind.
Butch: Oh absolutely.
Alan: You have to go much higher and look at the overall world situation, the world picture and the ones that have been guiding this for a long time, to realize that this whole “stand up and rebel” is only mandated when it's the right time, because the big boys have planned for it for forty years. One of the big boys will definitely say “it's time,” and then the media can all point to “the crazies,” as they’ll call them. They tried that after the Oklahoma City deal. Every station in the planet suddenly showed these guys running through the forest dressed in odd parts of camouflage gear. That was flashed all over the world immediately after Oklahoma City because they wanted something to start then. Then they could point and say, “It's the crazy people living amongst you. We’ve got to defend you and protect you,” and that's what they’ll do at the right time. They've been preparing for forty or fifty years for what’s coming down the road, at the top. Not only that, you know, young guys in the military have been brought up in a generation that generally never had a family – or if they did, it's one parent, generally. Their families are usually the local gang or whoever takes them under their wing and indoctrinates them; and the military takes over from there. They're trained. They've been brought up playing nothing but video games, where your object is to win at all costs. It doesn’t matter how many you kill. That's your military. Ninety-odd percent of them come back from Iraq and go right into the police force. It's now called the multi-jurisdictional task force, where they combine them all with interchangeable roles. This is how far it's gone.
Butch: Like the firemen, you know that one guy was wearing jack-boots.
Alan: I'm sure he's just straight back from Iraq kicking doors down and ordering people about.
Butch: Killing women and children, and here he was looking for some others to kill.
Alan: Yes. I had a guy contact me who is just back from Iraq, who is having some health problems himself—as they all end up doing. What they're doing is the old terrorist tactic over there towards the Iraqis, where they pick a different area or village every month or so and bombard it and go in, just like a killing zone. They kill everybody who moves. They're trying to terrorize them into submission. This is the real world. There's nothing nice about war. It doesn’t matter how many movies they churn out, there's no good guys in the war, especially when the good guys should be back home in their own country. That's reality.
Butch: Or down on the border there, Mexico.
Alan: They’ll go anywhere they're told and shoot whoever they're told.
Butch: We’ve got to get onto those illegals in the area, and the more psychopaths the better, so we can start riots here.
Alan: The US funded all the psychopaths in Latin America. The Rockefeller foundation and the other big foundations have been funding money into Latin American foundations to encourage this. While the little people at the bottom fight each other and argue in the streets. It's the big guys in the suits and ties in Washington, DC and New York that sit back and laugh, because they planned it all a long time ago. We've got to understand that everything that used to be the normal is under attack; and that's from the family, it's from what you thought was a culture; it didn’t just develop. The culture has been purposefully altered along a certain direction.
Butch: You really bamboozled that first hour guy with that, you know that don't you.
Alan: I know. You see, the patriot radio stations for years – and here’s the thing people must understand, I am not my best pusher. I don't push myself good because I come out and speak the truth [laughs] and so I don't compromise. There's a huge business in the patriot movement and it's been on the go since the 60’s anyway. It's been admitted here and declassified that the CIA started up the whole movement during the cold war.
Butch: Way back when, remember the John Birch Society?
You know old Robert Welch* he was, I don't know, he may have been a mason, I don't know which he was, but he was certainly a government operative in my opinion; and that was the kick off way back there. I got in there and got every damn book they had. They did bookstores and I bought every book they had, Alan.
Alan: I would say: when you’re trying to get out of the tunnel and see what’s out in the big world, they've already prepared a whole bunch of misleading organizations to get you around in circles.
Butch: In one case I was living over there in Chicago when I first encountered the Birch Society; and I had gone over to the store on one occasion. I don't recall how I did it, but the store manager told me that if I wanted to go up there on weekends, he’d come down and open the store for me and I could get in. So, I did that. I went up there, which was some miles from my home, and when I got there, he was there and he opened the door for me. He sat down at the desk and was reading something, and he said help yourself. I was going in there and taking armloads of books and putting them there. I looked around and here were two guys with a camera taking pictures of us. I didn’t know what to say. They moved on out of sight. I said, "Did you see that?" He said, “did I see what?” “See those guys taking photos of us.” They had a movie camera and he rushed to the door and looked out but he didn’t see anything.
Alan: The Toronto Star did an article a few years ago on how the CIA had started off a propaganda campaign against what was supposed to be the communists at that time. They were using Christian front groups at that time to put over the anti-communist propaganda. Now it's declassified in books that the whole culture industry – that meant the left-wing movements, the right-wing movements were all run by the CIA since the 1950s. That's the real world we're living in. Meanwhile as they keep trying to get America back, America has changed from the day before to the day before. It changes so fast.
Butch: Yes. I was glad to see you make that point on RBN, you know – what are you going back to?
Alan: You can’t go back to something that wasn’t yours.
Butch: I wasn’t there to start with.
Alan: That's right; and of course, it's infantile too. We always say “the good old days,” that's when you’re a child and you haven’t realized what’s going on and you’re not paying bills. Your parents are doing the worrying. That's the only good old days you have; and even that, for a lot of young people today, isn’t so good. You know it's ongoing, but people, as Plato said, are the most adaptable species on the planet and so they adapt to every new thing automatically, without even questioning it, as long as everyone else is adapting to the same thing. You can move them such a long way from one normal to the next new normal to the next new normal. Here they are concentrating on the Mexicans coming in, when for the past ten years or fifteen years they've been throwing up cameras all over the place to watch people, all over the US, Canada, Britain, France and so on. This is a big agenda and they divert us with transient phases of the same agenda, but they don't want you to concentrate on the main part. Why have we adapted to being watched everywhere? Why?
Butch: Years ago, let's say it was six years ago, I noticed when we’d drive into Springfield out where the big clover leaves are and the big stop sign was, there was a camera on the pole. A light pole, and there was a camera there. When we’d pull up there, I’d stick my hand out and give them the finger. The fools in the cars behind me thought I was fingering God, I suppose. They never even looked up at the camera; and this was just up there unannounced to anybody. Later, what they called red light cameras and down at the red light where you’ve got cameras, and these are supposed to give you a speeding ticket if you run the red light, right?
Alan: Yeah. [Laughs] It's just amazing, they just happened to build in microphones to the ones in the big cities that they can pick you up having a conversation in a doorway 200-300 yards away.
Butch: They told folks that was to locate sharp shooting.
Alan: Yes, I know. That's the reality we're in, a complete movement, massive movement going on long before we're born in fact, and just building up to where we're to go for the next part of the phase, which is total information network. They want to know everything that you’re doing, all the time.
Butch: I think that's what we detected here when I called the hospital and asked for the admission forms and the medical history forms – like 13 years of medical history I was going to have to write down, and I wanted to do it at home where I had some reference and they replied. “We know all we need to know.” That settled that. How could they know anything at all? She’d never been at this particular hospital. It's got to be the TIA.
Alan: They asked you to come in after you refused to go along with their whole agenda.
Butch: Yes. I think if I’d gone in there without an armed bodyguard, maybe a platoon or two, then I’d have been gone.
Alan: You’d have been assessed immediately, too, and then you’d be inside. This is happening all over. This is standard procedure. Yes, they assess everyone. Then they just come in and take your property. See, this is based on the soviet structure, the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union, even when the cops came in they would confiscate belongings and split the loot and pass it around upstairs too. Now the hospitals, since the 90’s, they've been doing the same thing, same in Canada. If the elderly get put in, they try to go up to the next one, see who’s left, get them out of there, put things up for sale because now you’re under their care and they need that money to take care of you. That's their excuse.
Butch: In this country, in the nursing homes, we call this spend-all, and before you can get any Medicare, Medicaid or any of that stuff you must exhaust your modest fortune, whatever it is.
Alan: Here in Canada, and that came in the 90’s with Bob Ray, they got at you regardless. In fact, they wanted you to sign over all your property to them if possible, so they came out with the living wills and everybody had to get a living will. The thing is the same, government encourages that, because they have other lawyers working on it every year, changing it, so they have more loopholes so they can get in and still take your property. That's the law now. In other words, it's not meant that you win here. Everything, including us, we're one big business and that's how we're seen from the top. It's one huge human business. You’ve got it, they want it, they get it. It's done through laws. Now they're not even bothering with laws, they’ll say, “it's our policy.”
Butch: Alan, I hope you’re taping all this. This is a better interview than you would have gotten directly.
Alan: This is what’s happening. The United Nations now isn’t just a bunch of people who sit there and say, “We’d like to have world peace.” It was set up to bring in, at least for one phase, a form of world government. For every bureaucracy you have in any country, every level of bureaucracy whether it’s to do with plumbing, electrical, housing standards, whatever, they have a comparative one at the United Nations. Not only an equal one, but it’s the boss and they are the ones that hand out these new upgrades to all the different countries on everything from health to building codes; and it’s signed automatically into law, and it has been since WWII. Now they're only showing their teeth. There's no debates anywhere in any governments about this. The bureaucrats don't even have to go through any politicians. They're just there to keep us busy with our “Punch and Judy” shows. They automatically sign them into law. The United Nations declared their definition of a good citizen as someone who is a producer and consumer. Once you’re retired, you’re no longer a good producer. You're just a consumer. This is another way of phrasing it from Bertrand Russell’s comment on getting rid of the useless eaters. You see it's all the same thing and that's what the public fail to recognize. We're all categorized according to our usefulness to serve the world state, and that is what the Council on Foreign Relation and the Royal Institute of International Affairs, its parent body, that's what they said in the 1900’s. That everyone in the future would eventually, bit-by-bit come to serve the world state. They would tolerate no excess or idleness. Their whole idea was to bring about a system of collectivism. That's what they called it. They studied all the systems and of course, they promoted the communist system. They funded it, in fact, from the west. They said that collectivism was the easiest way to control and plan a future society, a society run by experts. You talk about massive bureaucracies to deal with on the soviet system, and it's the easiest way for a small fascist to take the lead, to take control at the top, and run it all successfully. That happened. That's here.
Butch: Along that line, years ago I got word that this kind of philosophy had been the espoused by the National Educators Association. I think that's their name, the teacher’s union. I got the quote, the page number and so on in their journal, and I went down to the library to have a look at what I’d be alarmed at, and I found it was on the restricted list. The National Educators Journal was not available to the general public. It's only available to teachers and administrators and so on in the schools. At that time I was working at a factory and the guy across from me on the machine, his wife was a school teacher and I asked him if he could borrow a copy. I wanted to look it up, and she did and there it was. It said that the purpose was not to educate the child with facts and figures and that kind of thing, it was to make him socially a well-adjusted adult.
Alan: That came, in fact, that phrase, from Eleanor Roosevelt. Eleanor Roosevelt, when she did her tour of the Soviet Union, big hero the Soviet Union. Amazing too, here’s a US President’s wife at the time going over there. She said she had to visit the first person on her list, who was her favorite person, Pavlov. Pavlov, not only was her torturing dogs, he was using all his techniques on children. What she said when she compared the soviet children to the American school children, she said I don't see any playfulness on their way to school. They're not jostling each other, joking, or shouting or laughing, she says, but, my, they're so well behaved and orderly. That's what she liked about it. That is the Pavlovian system that's now in the US, because the National Education Association is only a part of the International Education Association, which again goes back to UNESCO, which is the United Nations. They’ll take orders from the same base to create the same global society; and when the US goes in to conquer some country to free it from whatever it's supposed to be under, they always make sure the first thing they do is set up the schools. In comes UNESCO, like they did in Iraq. They train the first generation in so-called democracy and the way of living in democracy. That's what they've done. It's a standard procedure in every country they've gone into.
Butch: It was a few weeks later that the headline in the Chicago Sun Times read: “Teacher Knifed in Social Adjustment class.” So, I take it that the application needed a little sharpening up there. I’ll long remember that after finding that this was what they were trying to do to those kids and some kids didn’t like it.
Alan: John Dewey, you remember, was brought in and I think he took over from Manning. Dewey said we shall start to eradicate history because it's dissention amongst peoples. They had already planned this whole phase of integration of the world. They brought the cultural system they’d have. It was already planned in the late 1800’s, early 1900’s. John Dewey said that we’ll eradicate the history that would cause any dissention and will actually create a basically ignorant class of young people who don't know any history and then can be molded along a new way. That's happened. The youngsters now have no education as such.
Butch: Oh yeah, and no vocabulary, no ability to read, so there's no way for them to get an education.
Alan: Yeah, “Like, cool man.” [Laughs]
Butch: Oh yeah, “like, you know man, like wow. Gnarly man.”
Alan: “Totally.” That's it, it's called linguistic minimalism. George Orwell as you know talked about how the dictionary would get thinner every year, and it's happened. It's all here. George Orwell wasn’t predicting with a crystal ball. He’d been chosen from Cambridge University to work for the elite. He understood the agenda and he wasn’t guessing this stuff. He knew it and came out and exposed it. It's all happened. The whole patriot business can go on forever selling all their fear-based products, because that's all they are, fear-based. It's the stuff that they couldn’t sell that they set for fear. It's going to do the public no good because they don't even know what’s happened in the recent past, never mind further back or what’s even happening now.
Butch: Get your gold and silver here, Alan, your paper money is no good.
Alan: It's amazing how Christians can take the same stuff. They're very selective to do with their holy book, you know, when it comes down to “they shall throw their gold and silver in the streets” because it will be of no use to them; they don't seem to believe that bit. They prefer to take their charities on the material side rather than on the spiritual.
Butch: I maintain that if I dare take a silver dollar down to Wal-mart and try to purchase some gum with it, they would hit the big red button and the floor team would hit me.
Alan: I think so.
Butch: The poor little clerk there has never seen a silver dollar and she’s never heard one mentioned, I imagine.
Alan: Somebody gave me one once, and I went to the bank with it when I was dead broke, and they gave me a dollar for it because it said on it “one dollar.” I got one dollar for it.
Butch: [Laughs]
Alan: That's what I got. In a barter situation, that's all it is, it's a barter. I don't care what you bought it for; in a depression, if you want a loaf of bread that guy with the loaf of bread will decide how much he's going to want from you. He may want the whole bag. That's the reality and it's been confiscated before because Roosevelt confiscated the gold.
Butch: I heard my grandparents talk about that. People were turning in their gold nib pens because the government said you’ve got to give us all your gold.
Alan: To bail us out. You know something, I seldom ever watch television because I know it's purely indoctrination. Even the fiction is propaganda. There was a program on about the guys who had found the Titanic with sonar in the deep-sea diving stuff. It was fascinating because they were following the routes that US shipping took during WWII and a lot of them were sunk of Greenland on the way to the Soviet Union, because the Soviet Union was a priority. They had to make sure Russia survived as the Soviet Union. It's an odd thing when it's your archenemy supposedly that you’re going to save. However, they started to find what they knew they were looking for, and they spent a lot of money looking for these ships that had been sunk. They went down with this very good equipment and you could see very clearly these ships were laden with crates and crates of bars of gold from the United States.--
Butch: I’ll be darned.
Alan: --On the way to the Soviet Union. I thought, my god, this is just one ship and I don't know how many – hundred and hundreds of gold bars, and I remember the Soviet Union was not on the gold standard then. What did they need all this gold for? They were shipping it from the US from Fort Knox. That's why there's nothing in there. [Laughs] They were moving it out somewhere else, the guy said that, and they did recover a lot of it. They said there's many more ships that were sunk on the way to the Soviet Union that were carrying these gold bars. Fascinating stuff when you just think about things, why would the people on the ruble, who are not on any gold standard, need gold during WWII? They didn’t have to pay any country back in gold because everyone else was getting taken off of it, too, since Roosevelt took over. It's a fascinating thing if people just think that everything is a giant scheme and a giant con-game. Then of course the Rothschilds get up every morning and he sticks his finger out the window and he decides what the value of gold will be that day on the exchange as a commodity.
Butch: Right. They fix the price.
Alan: It's a good guess.
Butch: It's the gold six they call it and isn’t that an obvious term.
Alan: Exactly, so is the market. See, the “market” is for animals. That's where you took animals; and so you have the exchange market and you have the business market and all the rest of it. That's where the animals go; and that's why, in this fake economic system, you have a bull market and you have a bear market. These are all astronomical terms they're using because they used to just study the old stars, etc. You have the bear, which is Arcturus. That’s the great bear. Then you have all the other ones, the bull, the Taurus market. It's a big con-game. Just like the zodiac swirls around every year, you’re watching the market do the same. It swirls around. It's all fixed; but in a giant casino where they put your pensions and everything and tell you it's quite safe. [Laughs] Let's all gamble!
Butch: The wheel is fixed and it's not fixed as favorably as those in Las Vegas. You know they have to let the customer win in Las Vegas once in awhile. It keeps them coming back, but I’m not sure they have to do that in the stock market.
Alan: It's funny too, I can remember in Britain that the casinos started to sprout up too, but they were authorized by the government. Then they just sprouted across Canada, again authorized by the government who said we could pay off the national debt with them. It's funny, taxes go up, we're still broke supposedly and these things are bringing in millions and millions every month, but we're not told where it goes.
Butch: Here we were told that this is going to pay for the schools. Your kids are going to have plush schools. They funneled it into the schools at the top, but down at the bottom they were funneling it out, so the net results for the schools was zero.
Alan: Everything is a racket and the big mafia run the system, the real mafia – not the guys in Chicago, but the real boys. I get people in government in bureaucracy phoning me and telling me stories all the time, and it's just amazing where the money goes. It's in pockets all the time. The psychopaths get into power. They lust for power. They want to get into the biggest jackpot there is, and that's the taxpayers honey pot. They want to get those claws into that honey pot because there's no questions asked.
Butch: You cough up whatever they demand and who knows what they do with it.
Alan: We’ll never know. I do know the rackets that go on.
Butch: Locally, we’ve had a bit of a scandal with city government. It turns out that the municipal court was missing 1.6 million dollars and the mayor was recently on a local radio show and s