ALAN WATT TRANSCRIPT

INTERVIEW WITH ROLLYE JAMES

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THE ROLLYE JAMES SHOW

March 29, 2006

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Rollye: This is the Rollye James Show. So I’m watching TV last night and a couple of people in Los Angeles were just stunned that their property could be taken through eminent domain for a hotel and I say to myself where the hell were you when this was a Supreme Court issue two months ago, and I bring this up only because we think that people are aware. They’re blissfully unaware and frankly they want to keep it that way until the wolf is at their door, which brings us to illegal immigration and then what’s going on in Congress and you look at how that vote went in the Judiciary Committee and what they’re discussing right now in our government halls and you say to yourself, I’ve got to be missing something. There’s got to be a bigger picture here and of course I always go right to conspiracy, and boy, have we got the grand unified conspiracy tonight. You’re going to love this, but one thing we’ve been talking about off the air and we’ll talk more about it tomorrow is – you know you had half a million people in Los Angeles and a lot of the drivers have been saying what can we do, so I’ve been thinking about maybe having the mother trucking SOB rally secure our borders but I haven’t figured out how exactly yet, so we’ll talk more about that and maybe get Mozo and Nimo if they’re interested in on this, but we’ll confer tomorrow night, but for now I think the bigger question still is and John asks this all the time when he’s screening your calls and listening to all this.

He comes and he says to me, well why would they do that in all sincerity, because after all, when you’re talking about eliminating the borders and when you’re talking about clearly ignoring the rule of law, you say there’s got to be a bigger picture; and so it was that Butch in Missouri said have I got the guy for you, and boy was he right. You can check out a website. Here you go: www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, just like it sounds, and I’ll put a link to it on my site as well and then you’ll know all about Alan Watt, but in the meantime, meet him. Hello Alan.

Alan: Hello.

Rollye: I’m delighted you’ve chosen to join us.

Alan: Always. It was very nice to have the offer.

Rollye: And you know it’s interesting because as I was just saying and I think it’s true. Most people who start to study what’s happening government-wise start to think that there’s got to be a bigger picture I’m missing and this is where you come in; because I understand you’ve spent a lot of time studying it start to finish.

Alan: Yes, I have.

Rollye: Today we see some of the symptoms but we can look at the Council on Foreign Relations or the Bilderberg’s or all these kinds of things, but we can wonder why we have a Federal Reserve and why it isn’t federal nor a reserve; but lets go back to – well, I don’t whether to start at the beginning or whether to ask you right off what’s behind this push to eliminate our borders, so what’s your preference?

Alan: Okay. The first reference to a World Order was made by John Dee who was the official advisor to Queen Elizabeth I in the 1500's and this man coined the phrase or the term the ‘British Empire’. He was the first one to suggest the term, the name and what he suggested was that a world system be set up through trade initially, which would then bind laws together to do with trade, and since everything runs on economics, then ultimately they would standardize the same cultural system throughout the world. This went into action actually very early on with the British East India Company, which was not only in India – they went into India initially, which was a conglomerate of small princedoms, they armed certain people. They put provocateurs in. They had them all fighting each other and then Britain came into to save the day saying you can’t go on like this, you see, we have to have peace, so Britain bestowed peace by taking over the country. That was the way it was done.

Rollye: This is so funny that you’re saying this of course because they haven’t changed their tactics one iota and they give us globalism. A few things like NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO and of course we’re held then to fix the world through going and attacking countries; but interesting, the 1500's, I thought we were practically go back to Adam. Now in the 1500's, I would assume at that time most places were still kingdoms?

Alan: Yes. There was a lot of small princedoms, kingdoms, really, families that built up and taken over a certain area. Small kingdoms really, but yes, in India of course they’ve been run for such a long time by the Aryans they call themselves that moved in maybe 1,000 BC and took over from the Dravidian people who lived there. They were a caste system really, the Aryans, of pure bloods and over a period of time they were actually forbidden to interbreed with the darker peoples. That’s why today because of the gradual interbreeding of this elite you have the actual caste system of India, right down to the "untouchables" at the bottom who are trained that’s your place; and they gave them a religion which backed all of this up, called "reincarnation," to make sure that, well, you were born this way. It’s your karma so just be a slave, you see.

Rollye: Right and you’ll get the next time to maybe be a prince. So that’s interesting and of course I was just reading recently that the caste system which is still alive and well they’re finally removing the sanctions from intermarrying in the castes. So that’s to this day there. It probably wasn’t hard to rile up the troops as you say to arm them; and isn’t that a chilling thought to cause uprisings to where Britain would have to go save the day?

Alan: That’s right and once Britain had taken over parts of India they would then make regiments of those Indians they could recruit into the Sepoy regiments all Indian and the Sikhs and then use them against non-Sikhs another province, you see. That was the technique of using – and this same technique was used by the Romans.

Rollye: Earlier really.

Alan: Yes, because the Romans that came into England most of the troops they recruited from Germany, the Albani tribe, and that’s the ones they used to come into England, so it keeps the heat off the ‘real power behind the throne’ you might say by the people fighting Albani’s or Germany and leaving Rome alone. It’s quite the technique and so the internal strife in India, for instance, was directed against tribes and eventually at each other and they forgot that Britain was behind it all.

Rollye: Right, right and Britain could come out like the white knight saving the day from the – well now of course what’s chilling about that is what we have right now with the illegal immigrants we’re talking about legalizing and all that. It makes you wonder whether we’re setting up class warfare in America.

Alan: You are and it’s been written about in fact by the boys who helped to sign it. I suggest your readers can find – if they can find a copy of this book. It’s by the French "Kissinger." He was called Jacques Attali, which is A-T-T-A-L-I, and Jacques is J-A-C-Q-U-E-S, and he really was the prime Kissinger mover behind the European Union. He eventually worked for the United Nations. The title of his book was called, "Millennium," the subtitle was called, "Winners and Losers in the Coming New World Order," published in 1990 and he knew the whole format.

He was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was a member of the Bilderbergers. A member of the Trilateral Commission. All the United Nations top level security clearance and so on. He said that now that Britain has basically been almost unified. It wasn’t completely unified when he wrote the book, he said, "the next one to go will be America," and he said, "the borders must come down and will come down under free trade", the guise of free trade. However, when you study this agenda of free trade, let's say going back to the 1500's by John Dee who first started it, it’s not just free trade and this is written into the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas and NAFTA. It’s a free flow of goods – now it’s authorized goods only. In other words, it’s not for everyone but also it says and "the free flow of labor between countries," you see.

Now Jacques Attali goes on to say that there’ll be chaos for a while in America and he said that initially the gangs will come up from South America, similar to the Huns who invaded Rome and brought it down.

Rollye: That’s happened with MS13 big time.

Alan: Yes and then he says this will cause a backlash on America who will demand that something be done about it. The military will then step in. The politicians get in on the act and of course down comes the borders and you find you have a brand new continent.

Rollye: Now of course, the CFR has been, as you probably well know, very open lately about saying that the borders of America and Canada or United States and Canada and United States and Mexico will be down by 2010. Do you think they’ll make it?

Alan: Yes, they will make it because last year on the Canadian National Television, which is called the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), last March, I think it was the 27^th during the Terri Schiavo thing, which was really hyped up to get everybody involved in this emotive controversy, there was a three minute agreement – signed in agreement shown on our television, of President Bush, Prime Minister Martin of Canada and Vicente Fox signing the Unification of the Americas deal.

Rollye: Right and you know I mentioned that. Every time they go for it. You’re absolutely right. An emotional hot button, be it some abortion issue or Terri Schiavo or anything that causes peoples heartstrings to tug. Right now, I love the way on television here - you probably don’t have it as much there, but this Natalie Holloway disappearance in Aruba. It’s every minute. You know you’d think she was Karen Halmoga or something. That was going on up there where everybody’s glued to the screen and things are passing behind our back.

Alan: Yes, that’s right. I knew when Terri Schiavo was being built up because they pulled this out the back a year before and yet they hadn’t killed her then, so they kept it on hold for another year, brought it up at the right time and then showed us this two or three minute clip. I taped it. I had my tape ready for it on television and I got the part where a reporter for Global Television stood up in front of the three "Amigos" they call them and he said, "this sounds like the unification of Europe. Is it the same thing?" and Paul Martin said, "well, it’s not quite the Big Bang," meaning the whole thing. Then George Bush stepped in he couldn’t help himself and he said, "well, what’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with free trade and free movements of people" and freethis and all that, you see, and so it is the unification; that's five more meetings to sign the agreements last year and it’s a done deal.

Rollye: And so do they have a date on it?

Alan: They want it done basically by 2010.

Rollye: Right, but no specific date for the ribbon cutting ceremony?

Alan: No. They’re keeping the pulse on the people to see how dumbed down and distracted we are.

Rollye: Right and right now there’s a little blip on the landscape here because there are significant numbers of people who are aghast at what the Senate put forth and you know I think to an extent Vicente Fox has overplayed his hand because his minions were the ones who were saying that our Senate would not be so fool hearty to listen to the voters as the House did.So I think in his best interests he could have saved that comment because now of course there’s a number of us who are intently staring at the Senate and they’ve rolled over completely on us.

Alan: I’m not surprised. I’ve listened to the Senate speech that was given by a British – actually he was the head of the Knights Templar Association of London and his name was James Goldsmith, Sir James Goldsmith and he went over and he gave a – it’s interesting that these guys can walk on to the Senate floor as an equal member because it’s a Masonic type floor. He gave a tremendous speech, which I also have a tape of, and he said quite openly, he says, look, I was for a unification of Europe all along until I realized what the real agenda behind it, and he said, it’s not good for the people. There’ll be no semblance of sovereignty whatsoever. He said when the new Parliament takes over, you through the NAFTA deal will go the same way. He mentioned all the job losses, the chaos of emigrants flooding into Britain and different countries and as a tremendous – this was a true orator, this man, trained, and yet the Senators, you hear different replies from different ones, all agreeing with him and yet they went and all voted for it, for the same deal.

Rollye: Yes, right. They’re giving it lip service and all that and of course you can ask anyone in Great Britain right now, I mean like individuals who have been arrested by selling things by the pound rather than by the metric, you know it’s insanity and of course that’s real small stuff compared to the totalitarianism that is falling into place. Alan Watt is with us. He has researched this, as you can tell, from the 1500's. I want to pick up more historically and interweave it with where we are right now because you have been saying there’s got to be more than meets the eye. You’re about to find out that, oh yeah.

All right, Alan Watt is with us and we’ll be all night kind enough to visit and hopefully fill us in enough of the behind the scenes of stuff. You can check out his website: cuttingthroughthematrix.com and it’s worth seeing. All right, so 1500 here’s John Dee. He gets this idea and we see exactly what’s happening with the British East India Company. Now after him what comes next?

Alan: Then they went into action right away basically forming the British East India Company, which was mainly consisted of royalty and nobility and the aristocracy who had shares in it. What they wanted to do was set up a future world including the Americas where they would train their own leaders and Elijah Yale who was one of the founding members of the British East India Company that needed the money for the Americas to set up the university there--

Rollye: That’s Yale University?

Alan: He said from there our future leaders will be taught this "Great Work," this system. They call it the Great Work and he says with this system to come all the leaders would come from there and those who were initiated would be pushing the "Agenda" forward generation by generation.

Rollye: Kind of brings us to Skull and Bones, doesn’t it?

Alan: Yes it does.

Rollye: That’s exactly Yale University and isn’t it interesting that there are so many shall we say coincidences, not hardly, and so it’s also interesting that in the 1500's they’re already looking toward the Americas when they really hadn’t even been there for the most part, but they’re eyeing it I guess because it’s not heavily populated and not heavily colonized at that point.

Alan: That’s right.

Rollye: Interesting. All right, so we’ve got Alan Watt and we’ll pick it up there and we’ve got a whole night of this and so Yale is already in the picture and we’re only a half hour into the show. All right, you bet the Council of Foreign Relations is coming and everything else, so yes it absolutely ties into what’s going into the Senate and the question becomes is there anything that anyone can do about it at this point, and I guarantee you we’ll get there to coming up tonight right here on the Rollye James Show.

Yes, we’ve got a lot of questions and we’re getting answers tonight from Alan Watt. He is the author of the "Cutting Through" series and you can find them on his website www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com. We talked about the genesis of – at least the modern day's conspiracies if you will from the 1500's and we got to Elijah Yale and Skull and Bones obviously came from that. So clearly as the colonists were coming over that had to be a true opportunity for Great Britain and then we have this revolutionary war. Did this come out the way they wanted it to?

Alan: I personally think it did. I really think that the United States – you see they used the trick in Europe for hundreds and hundreds of years where the same royal families of all the countries – they were all related to each other and the only way you can keep government over the people and have the people pay taxes to keep the armies going is if you have wars with someone else.  So you had never ending wars between Britain, France and all the other countries and the kings and queens were never touched, of course. They always survived and they all profited from the wars. It kept the population of the peoples down as well and they stayed in power saying, well, if you get us out of power, there’s no one left to protect you from those guys over there.

Rollye: Yes, which is terrific and just as you’re saying not touching the royalty, I do remember reading when the Queen of Portugal hid out in Brazil for years during their wars, so yes, whatever it took not to be scathed themselves go for it. So yes we were – that’s what I had thought to that making us a sovereign nation was probably ultimately at the time in their best interests, but of course today as we talk about this the British East India Company is a shred of what it once was, at least outwardly, and it seems like Great Britain isn’t calling the shots today; or are they?

Alan: Well, the key is I guess when in the late 1800's Cecil Rhodes was put out there as a front man to further this British Empire ideal, this commonwealth of the world. Cecil Rhodes and Lord Rothschild who owned the Bank of England at the time were the founding members of this Rhodes Foundation for Rhodes Scholarships and they trained people to go out into other countries and doors would open wide for them. They’d become high bureaucrats or political leaders in all different countries working for global union on this "democratic principle" as they called it, which meant the British System, and they were a secret society initially modeled after the Jesuits. They used Jesuits techniques and that’s in Cecil Rhodes own memoirs – in his own biography. It’s worth a read and what they said was they would take over countries and they would take them over by military force if need be and they would install the same type of puppet regime as Britain had for politicians and bureaucrats, and they would not leave those countries until they fully implemented the same democratic system, then they’d pull out knowing they’d set up a duplicate of their own basically.

Rollye: Which of course describes everything we’re hearing George W say about Iraq--

Alan: It’s exactly the same, exactly the same and of course from the Royal Institute of International Affairs, which they also founded, Britain is the grandparent of all these organizations, the Cecil Rhodes setup, the Royal Institute of International Affairs. All British Commonwealth countries, like Canada, we have a Canadian International Affairs. Australia has one. New Zealand. India has one and a few others. All non-commonwealth countries in the 1930's – 1920's were given the term Council on Foreign Relations but it’s the same club and they work together. I have their books going back to the 1930's.

Rollye: The secret society that Rhodes and his ilk founded, did it have a name?

Alan: They called it the "Round Table" initially. They also called another part of it that it was specialized subsections. One part was called "The Kindergarten" where they would get young men entering university from noble families especially and they would train them up to be the future leaders of the world. Some of them would be taught to be revolutionaries. They would use the Ivy League universities in Britain and America to foment their "World Plan" and in Britain they have of course initiation rites at Oxford for the elite. It’s also the professors who also pick the students to be an ‘inner member’ of this Masonic group and they call themselves "The Oxford Circle," and at Cambridge it’s called "The Apostles Club."

Rollye: Now when you mention Masonic group, are any of these groups tied directly to Freemasonry?

Alan: Yes.

Rollye: And is that just in their beliefs in terms of why would Freemasonry come into this?

Alan: Freemasonry again was created – modern day Freemasonry, it always existed. It always existed for thousands of years FOR NOBLE CLASSES but it wasn’t given to a middle class until they needed the middle class to build up the Industrial Revolution in Europe. Then they gave lower orders, which is loosely called "Freemasonry," to make sure that the middle classes would keep and work for and give oaths towards keeping the system on the go; but part of that had been kept strictly within the high noble orders, the aristocracy.

Rollye: There were a lot of secret societies in the 1700's and 1800's, Rosicrucian’s things like that. Did all of them tie together—

Alan: Yes—

Rollye: Okay, so you hear about Rosicrucians today but clearly that’s not the same deal that you can send away for your pamphlet.

Alan: Yes, that’s right. That’s right. Well, even yet, in fact, the Rosicrucian movement which is in Pennsylvania there—

Rollye: Well it was. Now it’s in San Jose. The Lewis’ who are now long dead, but yes, that had it in Pennsylvania. That’s right.

Alan: I’ve got an old book that was given out for I think it was the 1920 Convocation – The Great Convocation it was called, held on the property where they have the philosophic club and put all their books out. Now these books are for all Masonic societies, but the man who ran that at the time was Clymer and Clymer was a Rosicrucian, but he said, "I summoned the Blue Lodge of Masonry. I summoned the Eastern Star of Masonry." He summoned all the other branches to come to this Convocation and they came, which tells you that it wasn’t a lowly order; and of course John Dee himself in the 1500's, Francis Bacon was also a member and so they were the real guys who kicked it off. For this part of the agenda, you’re right. It’s much, much older.

Rollye: Right, and it seems like it’s like bulls eye. There’s circles of knowledge, much like the Council on Foreign Relations or any of them. When you’re on a periphery and yeah you’re member but yet you’re not in the inner circle, you’re not going to get the same information as the guy standing in the bulls eye because again you can read all about Freemasonry or you can go ahead and join the Rosicrucian’s and you’re not going to get in the mail the pamphlet of how to take over the world.

Alan: That’s correct. In fact, it was Albert Pike, he lead the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Charleston, he wrote the book, "Morals and Dogma." He was called the Pope of Freemasonry for the world in his day and he laid the agenda out there for the world.

Rollye: And what is the agenda?

Alan: He said - well you’ll have to remember what Freemasonry teaches their higher. See "LIFE BEGINS AT 40," that’s where the term comes from. The 40^th Degree. Not the 33^rd Degree and so you don’t get into the truth until you hit the 40^th Degree.

Rollye: And I assume that when we’re talking about the Masons of today the guy who’s a Shriner, he’s a 33^rd Degree Mason, so what we’re seeing is that this is a whole other ball game that the rank and file are unaware exist?

Alan: Yes. It’s an assisting process where if you for instance in a small town had a little newspaper where you could influence public opinion, then you’d be tapped on the shoulder, brought out from the lodge you’re in, the Blue Lodge, and brought out to another lodge. Then they’d shoot you up to the top, you see, because now you help to control people's minds and thoughts.

Rollye: But when you’re on a 40^th Degree, what’s their guiding principles?

Alan: Once again it breaks through. See, all the Masons up to the 33^rd are taught one thing which they do believe and it is that they’re all illumined. It’s nonsense that Weishaupt was the first Illuminati. The Illuminati in the Oxford Dictionary first in England started popping up its head in the 12^th Century AD. So these are the same guys under different lodges popping their heads up in different countries down through history at fulfilling their part of the agenda and—

Rollye: Sure, but lets say that the rank and file the guy who is going to his lodge meeting and is doing good and having a hospital drive, most of these individuals have no more clue to the New World Order than they do about invading foreign planets.

Alan: That’s correct and what they do is create a nice front of charity which – and Albert Pike said that in his own book, "Morals and Dogma." He said, "the low degree Masons are no different than the profane," meaning the general population, the base ignorant population. That’s what profane means and so they’re being used as well and it’s very hard to attack mom’s apple pie, if you know what I mean.

Rollye: Well of course it is and again the individuals who will defend it to the death have narrowly a clue that this could be possible because their entire experience with the organization is mom’s apple pie in the best sense of the word and so that’s why I always like to bring that out that this is not knocking the guy who is going to his lodge and helping a hospital. It’s not about that at all. There’s something above it. A subset that is fascinating to start to look at. So here we are. Lets say the 40^th Degree however you get there. However you’re chosen. You got in and now what do you discover?

Alan: Then you discover that not only are you basically an illumined one, you’re now into godhood. You’re a god.

Rollye: What does this mean though? I mean what is the goal? Okay, so I’m a god. What’s my goal here?

Alan: The god is reconstructing the world in the way it should have been constructed and what they say at that degree is that Masonry is there "to perfect that which was left un-perfect," which is man and society and the world itself. Everything.

Rollye: What’s there version of perfect?

Alan: Perfect is a world where there’s no free choice for the profane – the masses of people and anything and that the world should be run on an economic principal of necessity where no one should be born without a function to fulfill to serve the world state.

Rollye: Good luck.

Alan: And that’s where we’re heading today with so much regulations, laws and bureaucracies. We can hardly turn around right now without permission.

Rollye: Now at the same time in the late 1800's that this was really coming to fruition in terms of trying to have impact in the real world rather than just talking about it. We also had movements coming up like the Fabians who are on the outside, at least seem to be avowed socialists. How does that tie in?

Alan: Yes. Here’s an odd thing. If you read one of the founders books by Bertrand Russell, Lord Bertrand Russell, fascinating man, long lineage of aristocracy and royalty. He was mainly a mathematician but he put many books out there on philosophy with the goal, the world agenda and he was sent over by the British Royalty to help create the beginnings of communism in China back in the 1920's and he taught universities there. He got the students picked out. Later they were trained. They became the first leaders of the Communist Party for China and this was funded by the British government—

Rollye: You know it’s interesting of course because communism is no different than what we’re discussing. It’s complete and total control of the masses. So whether it’s fascism or communism--

Alan: Same thing--

Rollye: Or from that standpoint, I guess what we’re seeing the Fabians told a nicer fairly tale about doing the same thing.

Alan: They did to the public. However, in Lord Bertrand Russell’s book, his biography he tells you about his co-members the other founders and one of them was H.G. Wells who’s known for his novels but he wrote more non-fiction books about "The Agenda" than anybody else o